Wednesday, March 05, 2008

Election 2008 - Vote for PUNDAK

I am a proud member of PUNDAK, and here is my manifesto for the coming General Election 2008. (Different from the President's, so this is only for my own 'constituency'...)


If you are a hardcore opposition supporter, I don’t intend to sway your vote here; but those who are not the keen and passionate ‘supporters’ of BN nor the opposition – the ‘silent majority’ – should SPOIL THEIR VOTES on Saturday.


I have 3 reasons for spoiling votes in this election:

1) You should not vote for BN

2) You should not vote for any of the opposition parties as they are today

3) We should all take a ‘multi-elections’ view, to have a collective agenda of shaping the country’s direction through at least 3 elections





1) BN sucks

If you are a regular blog-reader, I don’t think I need to elaborate much.


- MIC exists solely for the purpose of keeping the Indians poor and ignorant, for the ease of control (ultimately by UMNO-putras). Semi-value is seriously out-of-touch and will have to rely on non-Indian votes to remain the taiko of Indians. Pathetic.


- MCA, UMNO’s dog, exists also to keep Chinese under control for UMNO-putras, but by a different approach: keeping Chinese scared and quiet. They have become so ineffective in protecting the rights of minorities that entitlements (e.g. building more Chinese primary schools) have become mere ‘gratuities’ dished out by UMNO, turning full-fledged citizens with extensive rights under the Constitution into beggars for ‘mercy’.


- Gerakan, also UMNO’s dog (like all the other parties in BN, to be honest) and doing the same thing to the Chinese like MCA but worse – they were supposed to be a multi-racial party championing multi-racial agenda, but has now become dominated by Chinese and Chinese issues. A sad example of how multi-racial politics get stifled in Malaysia.


- UMNO basically does the same thing as MIC, except that they are doing it to the Malays. UMNO-putras have hijacked the New Economic Policy, betrayed the Malay trust. Again, they use the same tactic as MCA – fear of minorities necessitating the need for absolute Malay/Muslim unity.


- BN in general is full of crooks, thieves and uneducated, shameless politikus. AAB has totally forgotten his previous manifesto in 2004 to tackle corruption and hunt down the '20 VIPs'. It is very telling that tackling of corruption is no longer a highlighted priority of the 2008 manifesto, and there’s no more ‘VIPs’ to be hunt down.


Above all, BN has systematically allowed the right to freedom of religion be undermined, creating uncertainties and fear among the minorities for their fundamental well-beings. AAB’s standard answer to this sort of controversies is “Everything shall be done according to the law” even though many people are precisely complaining that ‘the law’ is biased towards the ‘Islamic’ religious establishment.


Although AAB has allowed more space for freedom of speech than his predecessor, it is still not good enough and ISA is still used on bloggers (Nat Tan) and activists (Hindraf).


Let’s not forget the traditional ‘bragging rights’ of BN – the economy and material well-being. Our living costs have increased so much in recent years. Further, by refusing to do the right thing (taking away the ‘clutches’) after almost 40 years, BN has created a new generation of ‘bumiputras’ who are allergic to competitions and indirectly dragged the competitiveness of the whole nation down. Our Foreign Direct Investment has even begun to fall behind much less educated, non-English speaking countries in ASEAN like Thailand and Vietnam! Clearly, BN does not have genuine leaders who would drag their followers to do the right thing, but only clowns and tricksters who are good at hiding the truth and realities from a whole nation of ‘boiling frogs’.


So, a vote for BN is a sign of approval for all of the above. Anybody who has a brain could see that.



2) Opposition sucks


- PAS, for me, is the single biggest problem and threat for Malaysia's unity today. Its racist and religiously chauvinistic agenda of an Islamic State is the single biggest divisive factor of Malaysian politics. The fact that non-Muslims can only become a member of “PAS Supporters Club” instead of a full-fledged member of equal standing in PAS itself (and has to stand for election under the banner of another party instead of PAS) should tell us very clearly the obsession of PAS to turn all non-Muslim citizens of this country into dhimmis. (And don't forget their tendency to subjugate women in the name of religion.) Equality for non-Muslim is not what PAS is willing to offer. Any non-Muslim who still harbours any fantasy or delusion that PAS is the answer for a better future should open their eyes.


Not only does PAS incite hatred and resentment among non-Muslims, it’s biggest threat is the indirect effect of its very existence and strength – forcing UMNO to engage in an ‘out-Islamicization’ contest. If not because of PAS, UMNO would have less pressure to demonstrate how ‘serious’ they are in defending ‘Islam’ and in oppressing non-Muslims. Not to mention PAS’s tendency to say utterly stupid things (Valentine’s Day celebration could lead to promiscuity; educated women should not work because they can marry rich husbands, so leave the jobs to ugly women; cinemas should have the lights on to prevent fondling and kissing in the dark, etc) – and take pride in their own stupidity. PAS is therefore a constant source of embarrassment and disgrace - as well as threat - for Malaysia.


I’ll give credit where it is due, though – the fact that no PAS ‘big shot’ had yet been implicated in any corruption scandal (despite the monopoly of vast political, legal and economic resources by BN) would suggest that PAS politicians are clean, very clean indeed. But if we were to elect leaders based on who is more innocent and innocence alone, I would argue that Buddhist monks and Catholic priests who keep the vow to a celibate and frugal lifestyle are much better candidate at controlling their ‘nafsu’ (lust and desire) for worldly temptations than PAS ulamas who advocate polygamy of up to 4 wives and hell-bent on dominating/subjugating women.


- Keadilan is only the ‘loser version’ of UMNO/BN. A party facing the threat of survival could still get into power struggles (Ezam, Nalla have quit the parties as a result) is incredible.


I do welcome Keadilan's apparent agenda of a multi-racial politics which puts unity first. However, many suspect that most politicians in Keadilan – including Anwar himself – is only waiting to get elected and then jump back into UMNO/BN. The fact that Anwar himself has not apologized for/disavowed his past actions/complicity when he was a top leader (up to being the heir apparent) in BN (e.g. apologize for all the corruption, undermining of judiciary, suffocating of Chinese education etc) is very telling, again not correcting people's (especially minorities') perception of him being "all things to all people". It only strengthens my suspicion that he is not prepared to burn all his bridges, and is just waiting for the ‘opportune time’ to return to UMNO. (I don't think he has ever sworn that he would not do what Semangat 46 did - by returning to UMNO a decade or so later.)


If Anwar is a true statesman – as opposed to just another politician – he would have had the courage to say sorry, to put history behind and to chart a new vision and course for the nation as a whole. (Can't wait to call himself a 'de facto leader' only strengthen Anwar's image of being a power-hungry, opportunistic politician, rather than a visionary, intellectual statesman.) I don’t expect him to be like Nelson Mandela, but he is not even a Lee Kwan Yew. So, frankly, I don't trust Keadilan.


- DAP is becoming like Gerakan, turning from a multi-racial, socialist party (yes, let’s not forget that!) which is supposed to fight for all the poor, into a Chinese-dominated dynasty dominated by 1 ageing Chinese Emperor and his Indian puppet (Karpal Singh). Many good people have been driven out of the party, and nearly Fong Poh Kuan too. This is a very sad example of how politics without power could still corrupt. Truly amazing...


So, personally I do not think any of the opposition parties is electable at all. To vote for them is to encourage them to remain opportunistic, petty, obsessed with trivial matters and sexual control and domination, and to advance personal egos.



3) ‘Multi-Election’ Agenda for Malaysia's Future


Therefore, I propose that YOU – the ‘silent majority’ who feels that if there is no good, electable opposition, so you should vote BN by default (because you 'have to' choose the 'lesser of 2 evils') – to SPOIL YOUR VOTE this coming election. And for those who do not wish to participate in the electoral process at all because "there seems to be no choice" - please believe that you still can vote, even though you don't have a choice - by SPOILING YOUR VOTE.


Imagine the scenario when there are more spoilt votes than the number of votes obtained by the 'winning' candidate – BN or opposition. E.g. BN Candidate 3,000 votes, Opposition Candidate 2,700 votes, Undi Rosak 10,000 votes. With all those spoilt votes staring at them, both winner and loser would blush with embarrassment. This is especially humiliating for BN, because they would definitely use phantom voters; and if even after including the phantom votes, they still get LESS votes than the number of spoilt votes, they would know they are really in deep shit...


After the election, both BN and opposition would be thinking hard about how to woo all these ‘silent majority’ voters, and therefore how to behave and upgrade themselves to meet the taste of the increasingly fussy and demanding electorate. Neither of them could take us for granted anymore.


We the people, by casting spoilt votes, would be sending a loud and clear message to them that “We don’t like either of you, please fuck off” as well as “Come and get us IF you want!” We will be able to turn the table and tell them, we have a THIRD CHOICE between black and white, and being less evil/bad than your opponent is no longer good enough for us. We want the top of the class to be a Grade A student (and the No.2 a Grade A- student), rather than just a Grade E student (and the No.2 a Grade F student). Raise your standards – BOTH OF YOU – or we will not play the game of ‘lesser of 2 evils’.


On the other hand, to vote BN by default (because you don't think the opposition is electable) or opposition by default (because you are not happy with BN) might send out the wrong message - both of them could misunderstand our real intention, and think that they are being rewarded for their behaviours, because a vote in favour is still a PLUS - but a spoilt vote is a NEGATIVE FOR BOTH.



CONCLUSION


So, to sum up, the ‘multi-election’ agenda works like this:


2008 – Eliminate substandard, Grade E’s and F’s parties. (Especially PAS – if it is a straight fight between PAS and UMNO, vote UMNO, so that PAS will be severely weakened if not totally eliminated. This (eliminate PAS at all costs, even if it means voting for Son-in-Law) is the only exception to the ‘spoilt vote agenda’.)


2012Keep spoiling the votes if they still do not improve. I expect them to take at least 2 elections to get/'confirm' the message. (Again, to eliminate all traces of PAS.)


2016 – Hopefully, genuinely electable and up-to-standard opposition and ruling parties and candidates would have emerged by now, in which case we could bring ourselves to pick 1 of them. Otherwise, we’ll still do the same for the next few elections until they finally ‘get’ what we are trying to tell them.



Emphasis: If the winning party gets less votes than spoilt votes, it would be a MINORITY government by any definition – but very, very embarrassing indeed. Whoever wins, they would be very embarrassed for the next 5 years – whereas the loser would regret why s/he did not behave properly or else s/he would have captured all those spoilt votes.


Question 1: What if, say, by spoiling our votes, the worst happens – say, PAS wins? Sure, I wouldn’t like that, but even then, PAS is only the minority government, and they would know damn well that they have to behave properly to stay in power. If BN wins – they are still a minority government and they would have suffered a very serious blow because they know they could no longer take us for granted. Whoever wins, they know they would have to come and get us next time.


Question 2: Why can’t we just refuse to turn up to vote? No, that is not a strong enough message, because by making the effort to travel to the polling station, queue, and then spoil your vote, you are telling them that you are willing to go out and make a point. Whereas staying home would be sending out a more equivocal message, could be interpreted as “weather no good” or “busy because of school holidays” by the politicians.



I know BN will still win this election, but it is time we ‘vote’ with a longer term perspective than just 5 years/1 electoral cycle. It is time we tell them loud and clear:


I WOULD RATHER SPOIL MY VOTES THAN WASTE IT ON YOU IDIOTS - BOTH OF YOU. NOW, COME AND GET ME IF YOU WANT, OR JUST FUCK OFF.


The POWER (to spoil the votes) is, and has always been, YOURS.

9 comments:

Walski69 said...

As much as I think PUNDAK is brilliant (really, I do), the reality of it is that even with a shit-load of spoilt votes, a majority is a majority, and spoiling our votes almost certainly allows BN to screw up our lives for another 4 - 5 years.

The opposition isn't perfect, I will admit, but the country needs something new. PAS may not be my cup of tea either, but considering that they're only contesting in 27% of the Parliamentary seats, there is less to worry from them than there is to worry from UMNO. And I believe they are sincere in wanting a clean government, although I don't agree with everything they stand for.

Similarly with PKR and DAP. While I, too used to think that PKR was a loser version of UMNO, it has evolved over the years.

Seriously, the last 4 years has seen crime rates sky-rocket, the economy doing less than it could, and our spending power steadily diminishing - do you think the next 4-5 years is going to be any better just on BN's say so?

I support PUNDAK in the cyberworld, by the way... but the real world is something else I have to seriously consider...

Juslo said...

thanks for your views, walski. but i cant help but get the sense that u think this is a naive or just a 'fun' idea. it is not.

i agree things r very bad in our country right now, but what about the arguments at part 3 of my post? that we should take a LONGER TERM perspective when we vote?

your view would b the prevailing view of the cyber-conscious, better educated group of malaysians but i think is still TOO NARROW - u only look at how bad BN is, but with very little focus on how bad the OPPOSITION is too, n how we can get a better OPPOSITION for our future.

is a vote for the opposition in this election going to get us a better OPPOSITION in the coming elections, good n electable enough to become serious contenders against BN? NO, i dont think so. if u want to talk about 'being realistic' n not living in the 'cyber world', u should also admit that no matter who we vote for in this election, BN is still going to come back as winners, by hook or by crook (the factor of phantom voters r ALWAYS present).

so, it would b NAIVE for any of us to think that we could make any difference by voting opposition in this election. IT WON'T, LET'S GET REAL.

BUT the numbers don't lie - ESPECIALLY THE NUMBER OF SPOILT VOTES. BN will do the maths, so would the opposition. once they SEE that the number of spoilt votes is sizable, or at least the same as the vote for the winner (whether counting or not counting the phantom votes - BN knows very well how many of those they threw into each constituency), THE WRITINGS R ON THE WALL.

i guess 1 chief difference between u n i is that while "PAS may not be my cup of tea either" i have a MUCH STRONGER RESENTMENT towards PAS than UMNO. i believe (like i said in part 2 of my post above) that PAS is the MAIN REASON y Malaysia is in such a deep shithole in the first place bcos it has drawn UMNO into an 'islamicization contest' which has led to murthy, lina joy, single sex checkout counters.

while most of us r certain that BN must b replaced, we r DISCOURAGED/PREVENTED FROM replacing BN bcos of our JUSTIFIED FEAR of PAS. with PAS gone, we wont have to vote with a GUN to our head (meaning, vote under DURESS).

so, i believe it is CRITICAL to our agenda to replace BN in the LONGER TERM that we must ELIMINATE PAS first.

"considering that they're only contesting in 27% of the Parliamentary seats, here is less to worry from them than there is to worry from UMNO"??? NO, it is CRITICAL that they b DENIED MOST/ALL of their seats. THEN, they'll learn a lesson.

with PAS gone by next election (or the 1 after that), n DAP n Keadilan learned their lessons after seeing so many spoilt votes up for grab, i believe we'll have a higher caliber of opposition parties to choose from in the coming election.

to aim to topple BN is NAIVE, u n i know that. let them win AGAIN, but with a SLAP on their faces, denying them the sense of security n invincibility. just like in ijok, it would b a PANIC VICTORY - they threw in so much promises n yet did not get a landslide. THEN, they'll wake up, n so would the opposition.

NUMBERS DON'T LIE. the absolute number of spoilt votes will always b there, no matter how low it might b when it comes to % of total votes cast. when they see that number, they'll think long n hard for the coming elections.

it's time we put powers back into the people's hands, n resume the driver's seat.

Juslo said...

i'm just going to put my comments at somewhere else here, to show the complete picture of what i'm arguing for.

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The Last Straw
4 March 2008
http://aisehman.org/?p=530

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9 walski69 5 March 2008 @ 10:32 am

Amen to that, bro Aisehman!

And please lah, my dear Juslo… voting PUNDAK is guaranteeing BN for another term. Is that what you really want?

In the words of Monty Python: every sperm is sacred…

And people, vote wisely this March 8th!

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12 lung 5 March 2008 @ 1:00 pm

Juslo,

Don’t throw a spanner into the works.

Your call to spoil the votes is ill advised & reeks like a BN cyber-trooper comment.

Piss off.

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13 juslo 5 March 2008 @ 3:21 pm

walski,

we should take a LONGER TERM perspective when we vote - how our votes could, in the long term, FORCE/ENCOURAGE the emergence of serious, electable opposition.

we all know BN is going to win again, no matter who we vote for. so, y not give them a SLAP on their faces n something for BOTH BN n opposition to think about for the next 5 years???

yes, things r going to get worse if BN wins this time, but

1, like it or not, THEY WILL WIN.

2, we can SOUR their victory by making it a HUMILIATING VICTORY for them (n a REGRETTABLE DEFEAT for the opposition).

THINK out of the box, not just ‘for or against’.
THINK longer term, not just ‘next 5 years’.

we have more choices than simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’, black or white. to REFUSE to think in simple, binary terms of ‘bn or opposition’ is precisely how we could TURN THE TABLE against them, n REGAIN our FULL POWERS as voters.

(i admit with only a few days left this idea is not going to gather enough momentum in time for this election EVEN IF it’s consider a good one, but i would invite all of u to at least think about it… but i myself will definitely SPOIL my vote on saturday, just like what i did in 2004.)

Election 2008 - Vote for PUNDAK
http://juslo.blogspot.com/2008/03/election-2008-vote-for-pundak.html

HIDUP PUNDAK!!! (and SPOIL YOUR VOTES!!!)

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14 juslo 5 March 2008 @ 3:31 pm

lung, i expected your comments.

“Don’t throw a spanner into the works.”

don’t shut your mind to unorthodox ideas n behave like an ostrich, n try to CONSIDER the merits of what i’m saying. if u really want what is the best for the future of this country, THINK out of the box and THINK long term.

n i would appreciate if u refrain from ad hominem n start telling me WHERE R THE FLAWS of my arguments, so we can seriously put our minds together - for our collective future, like Aisehman said.

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17 stevie 5 March 2008 @ 4:15 pm

Juslo,

i don’t think a spoiled vote means a shit to anybody here.

at best it’ll help measure the stats on illiteracy in the country.

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20 kent 5 March 2008 @ 5:37 pm

“we all know BN is going to win again, no matter who we vote for. so, y not give them a SLAP on their faces n something for BOTH BN n opposition to think about for the next 5 years???”

They think about it for next 5 years? I agree with you, juslo!

They will think who’s that stupid dumpshit that afford them such an easy victory, while laughing all the way to the bank, hoping that more twits would do the same for every other election.

As if they will “insaf”! Putin of russia is back as prime minister now, i think he is “insaf-ing” hard now.

Deny the 2/3, maybe….just maybe the “insaf” part may creep in.

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22 lung 5 March 2008 @ 6:09 pm

Juslo,

We have here, a historic opportunity, through our votes, to show that we have reached the tipping point in our country’s history.

We have a chance to win seats, I sincerely believe so. (We also know we will not be able to unseat the govt)

And even if we were to lose by deceit, it can only but add wind to sails of democracy.

There is no turning back. A big vote for change will embolden the fearful & the undecided voters.

So when round two comes along, the Makkal Sakti will a real force to reckon with.

Thousands of right minded citizens have put in their hearts & souls (time & money too)in championing this vote for change.

That’s why I take offence to your call. It is akin to sabotage. We have the BN machinery to do that. They need no help.

In the long run, we are all dead. (Lord Keynes). Time to act is now.

Get it, Juslo!!!

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25 juslo 6 March 2008 @ 6:18 am

stevie + kent + lung,

’sabotage’? sabotaging WHOSE agenda??? yours? mine? or the STUPID OPPOSITION’S????

u r god damn right to say that YES, I’M SABOTAGING the fantasies of opportunistic, childish n petty politikus in keadilan, dap n pas bcos I DONT F**KING LIKE THEM - just like i dont like BN. so, there’s perfectly nothing wrong to sabotage them!!

want to blame somebody for not getting our spoilt votes?? BLAME YOURSELVES, anwar + lim kit siang + nik aziz!!!!!!!!!

NOTE******************
what i said is AS MUCH a condemnation of BN as the OPPOSITION!!!!

Election 2008 - Vote for PUNDAK
http://juslo.blogspot.com/2008/03/election-2008-vote-for-pundak.html

yeah, BN might celebrate an ‘easy victory’ this time but i dont think time stops there. i think u people r looking at this election as the b all n end all in this war, but i think it’s just 1 battle of this long war. i’m not saying we fight an indefinite ‘long run’ war where everyone is dead, just a 3-election war.

look, if u dont believe that BN does care (albeit not 100%) about voter sentiments then i dont think this conversation is useful.

i believe they DO care, n they’ll b very scared bcos let’s not forget that this is a LIVE GAME situation - all these spoilt votes could swing in favour of the opposition in the NEXT election IF the opposition grows up n become ‘electable’.

think of the NEXT election, n think of THE OTHER player in this game - the opposition.

1) BN: there r SOOOO many angry, undecided voters up for grab, what do u think BN would do - alienate them further so they’ll vote for opposition NEXT time???

2) Opposition: n what do u think the opposition would do at the meantime - continue to behave childishly n refuse to suck up to those spoilt voters?? BN might not care, fine, but opposition also wont care???

read my post again - we r doing this so that a message is sent to BOTH sides, not just to BN, that:

1) they r not good enough for now n
2) they CAN get our votes IF they change.

THINK of the next step AND the other player in this equation.

“A big vote for change will embolden the fearful & the undecided voters.”

n i believe it’s much easier to persuade the ’silent majority’ (who always vote along the line of ‘lesser of 2 evils’ n therefore BN by default) to spoil their votes rather than voting for the opposition. voting BN’s enemy means they have now decided to declare war on BN, but taking the MIDDLE ground only tells BN that they r no fan of BN n they wont go out n make the effort to cast their votes for BN.

i think it’ll b too idealistic n naive to believe that many voters (especially the middle-aged, average-educated ones) would get fired up about ‘winds of change’ n join in the battle. it would b a great achievement if u could just persuade them to stop voting for BN by default. on the other hand, if we get people all ‘fired up’ this time but it turns out (with virtual certainty) that the opposition still cant dislodge BN, that would seriously dampen the morale a great deal n result in serious frustrations. u aim high, u’ll fall hard.

so, it would be easier to take things incrementally n go for the intermediate target - spoil 2008, POSSIBLY voting for opposition 2012.

n AGAIN n AGAIN n AGAIN, the message to the OTHER SIDE (please don’t forget) is: the opposition better GROW UP n COME GET US in the NEXT election!!!

HIDUP PUNDAK!!! (and SPOIL YOUR VOTES!!!)

Juslo said...

Wednesday, March 05, 2008
Laughingstock and lovin' it
http://asylum60.blogspot.com/2008/03/laughingstock-and-lovin-it.html


juslo said...

again, that's y we should SPOIL OUR VOTES, REFUSE TO PLAY THE GAME.


Election 2008 - Vote for PUNDAK
http://juslo.blogspot.com/2008/03/election-2008-vote-for-pundak.html

HIDUP PUNDAK!!! (and spoil your votes!!)

Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:11:00 PM


Jeffrey Hardy Quah said...

juslo: Er, do you really think the Government is going to sit up and say, "Oh my, there are so many spoilt votes! We need to clean up our act right now!"? Your suggestion is unhelpful at best, and self-defeating at worst.

Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:01:00 PM


juslo said...

JHQ,

think of the NEXT election, n think of THE OTHER player in this game - the opposition.

there r SOOOO many angry, undecided voters up for grab, what do u think BN would do - alienate them further so they'll vote for opposition next time???

look, if u dont believe that BN does care (albeit not 100%) about voter sentiments then i dont think this conversation is useful.

i believe they do care, n they'll b very scared bcos let's not forget that this is a LIVE GAME situation - all these spoilt votes could swing in favour of the opposition in the next election IF the opposition grows up n become 'electable'. read my post again - i'm doing this so that a message is sent to BOTH sides, not just BN, that

1) they r not good enough for now n

2) they CAN get our votes IF they change.

THINK of the next step AND the other player in this equation.

Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:53:00 AM


Jeffrey Hardy Quah said...

Wow, we must be living in different countries or something.

If BN really does care, they'd clean up their act the moment the BERSIH rally hit, instead of demonising the protesters as troublemakers out to destroy the peace. They certainly wouldn't be playing fast and loose with the electoral process.

You want to think of the "next step"? How the heck are the opposition going to get anything done "for the next step" if they're not even in office? Spoiling votes will help exactly ONE group of people in the elections, and it's not you.

I can't believe I'm even arguing with someone about the stupidity of spoiling your own vote versus the (slim) possibility of removing two-thirds majority.

Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:50:00 AM


juslo said...

JHQ,

ouch...

i think u still cant get around to c the OTHER player in this equation - the message we r sending to the OPPOSITION.

suppose we deny BN 2/3. we sent in PAS, Keadilan n DAP, who PERSIST in their unelectable behaviours n rhetoric, bcos they r under the MISTAKEN impression that we APPROVE of their antics. they WONT CHANGE in the next 5 years, n i GUARANTEE u that nik aziz will keep saying stupid things n even pass that disease to the other ulamas in PAS.

what would u do in 2012, then?? i think THIS IS THE CRITICAL question. do u 1) still vote for just enough opposition in order to deny BN 2/3, or 2) u vote for more so they can GET INTO POWER to finally REPLACE BN??

when option 2) is presented to the electorate 5 years from now, I THINK IT WILL BACKFIRE. the prospect of our country being ruled by a bunch of talibans, opportunists n egomaniacs will quite likely push a lot of us back to giving BN back their mandate.

then, we'll end up at the same place, square 1, STILL NO ELECTABLE OPPOSITION who could take over the government. meanwhile, BN 'might' (just might, i know u disagree) care about how they r going to do in the next election, do a bit of cleanup here n there, n 'behaved' themselves a little better than pre-2008.

the electorate (most of them gullible, unlike u) would happily RETURN the mandate to them, SOLELY BCOS WE STILL DON'T FUCKING HAVE AN ELECTABLE OPPOSITION. n WHY we still don't have 1 by 2012??? bcos U LOT VOTED FOR the unelectable opposition n directly ENCOURAGED them to continue to behave like idiots.

i believe my approach would help to FORCE the emergence of an 'electable' opposition, n that's gonna help NOT NOW, BUT LATER, 5 years from now.

n to have an 'electable' opposition to *******FINALLY REPLACE******* BN, rather than just being a 5 year nuisance in denying them 2/3 majority, is WHAT WE ALL WANT, right?

Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:05:00 PM

Juslo said...

more comments n thoughts...


http://asylum60.blogspot.com/2008/03/laughingstock-and-lovin-it.html

Jeffrey Hardy Quah said...

You're right that we desperately need an electable Opposition. And yes, this elections will definitely set up how 2012 will play out. And I do see your point in sending a message to all parties, not just BN, to get their shit together - the Opposition is beyond embarrassing.

Two things that stop me from agreeing you re: deliberately spoiling votes. 1) I can't stomach the thought of BN getting another 2/3rd majority. I don't see people like Badawi or Khairy doing anything to clean up their act; they're too firmly entrenched in their positions and will go down fighting if they perceive to be threatened, even by democratic means. Short-term, I want to seize the slimmest of hopes that we can wrest 2/3 majority away - it's been a while since we had any proper set of checks and balances.

2) Nothing's to stop the Opposition from getting their act together while they're voted in. Assuming that they're voted in strongly, it sends a message to them, saying: Okay, this is your chance to get your act together. You have four years. Then we'll see if you deserve to be in power.

The Opposition is made up of brainless poopyheads, but they know what momentum looks like when they see one. It'll be up to them to make the most of this new opportunity - because they know Malaysians won't be very forgiving if they blow it.

2012 will be vital, but 2008 is the key.

Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:48:00 PM


Jeffrey Hardy Quah said...

"2012 will be vital, but 2008 is the key."? I can't believe I just typed that. Ugh...

Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:50:00 PM



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Thursday, March 06, 2008
Pre-Election Exit Poll
http://asylum60.blogspot.com/2008/03/pre-election-exit-poll.html

BrightEyes said...

You forgot:

"Barisan Nasional suspends elections and Badawi declares himself 'Supreme Divine Generalissimo Caliph of Malaysia; AMN, PJK, KMN, DKBN, H2O, LOL, StFU'"


To be serious, I supported Pak Lah in 2004 and would have voted him, although I was in the States at that time. Unfortunately, he has failed to make a serious effort to fufil his election promises of transparency, freedom & rights, and equality.

http://tinyurl.com/2bzbol

To be honest, I don't really like the fellas on the other side as well. DAP is over dominated by Kit Siang, who really now needs to take the back seat. Im still unsure about Anwar's sincerety and as for PAS, screw them!

But I rather not waste my vote and see BN continuing to screw up the nation and Klang with mismanagement & corruption.

They say "only BN can bring development". They forgot to add "BN develops for RM10million what others can do for 6 million"

Selamat mengundi walski...

Friday, March 07, 2008 1:39:00 AM


juslo said...

i (i mean, as a proud member of PUNDAK) m honoured to receive a 'slot' on your 'ballot', walski...

but honestly, i dont think PUNDAK ('my' PUNDAK, that is...) is going to make any serious 'impact' or receive any serious 'support' from the voters this election, (bcos we lack funds to campaign n all that, u know...) so there's actually no need for anybody to feel strongly about what i say. (like some did over at Aisehman's)

but i think it's a nice opportunity for all of us to think thru this idea, n what our attitudes towards BN n opposition should b. u know, in a 'laboratory of thoughts' kind of way...

thanks for the space, walski, n JHQ for engaging me. have a good saturday...

Friday, March 07, 2008 2:40:00 PM


juslo said...

just want to make a 'final push' for PUNDAK... (additional 'Pros', hehe)

THIS is what worries me...

""We should have a right to make a choice. ******I'm not voting because to me, there seems to be no choice******," said Akmal Hakim, 29, a waiter at a fast food outlet and one of the young Muslim Malays who are the majority of non-voters."

Young M'sians say polls make no difference
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/79241


it's a VERY DANGEROUS development - political apathy. to me the biggest danger is not that BN continues to b in power, but that we NO LONGER CARE what they do WHILE IN POWER.

so, i would argue that with PUNDAK, we can at least tell these disenchanted youths that look, u might b right that there's no choice, but it doesnt mean that u cant/dont have to vote. apart from black n white, there's a THIRD choice in between: neutral.

NOTE that when PUNDAK campaigns, we r 'talking to' THAT CATEGORY of people who r not going to vote for BN nor going to vote for opposition, no matter how hard to try to persuade them. (so, opposition supporters need not worry, actually... we r campaigning to opposition- cum BN- haters.)

they r PUNDAK's 'target constituencies', so to speak (apart from those who would still vote but would vote for BN by default bcos they think along the line of choosing the 'lesser of 2 evils'). for this group of people, the obvious answer is - not going to vote AT ALL.

to me, if we can get the message across to this group of people that they DO HAVE A CHOICE - of spoiling their votes - it would b a VERY POWERFUL message to them, bcos it will make them feel EMPOWERED, so they will still PARTICIPATE in the electoral process.

to make sure they PARTICIPATE is tremendously important for the country in the long run bcos by merely participating in PUNDAK's way - to spoil their votes BCOS THERE IS NO GOOD CHOICE - would mean that they r now ENGAGED in the political development of the country.

there's a REASON why they vote for PUNDAK - bcos they THINK N FEEL that none of them is good enough, AND AND AND they WANT TO SEE BETTER CHOICES in the future.

in other words, by joining PUNDAK, they'll begin to PAY ATTENTION to the politics of this country, n TAKE AN INTEREST in scrutinizing our politicians, BN n opposition alike. which means we would have 'brought back' a POWERFUL GROUP of middle voters who THINK n PAY ATTENTION BCOS THEY WANT A BETTER FUTURE FOR MALAYSIA.

so, if PUNDAK is the way to bring them 'back', so be it. maybe we'll not achieve anything this election, but the mere fact of bringing so many of them 'back' is a MONUMENTAL STEP FORWARD, i think.

think about it, FIVE MILLIONS:

"Former deputy premier Musa Hitam estimated that some five million people would not exercise their right to vote, in a trend he said threatened "the very fabric of the democratic process".

*******"Some are not happy with the government, yet don't feel they should come out and vote against the government. Some say they are simply fed up with politics. They are saying, 'We'll get nothing out of it'," he said in a newspaper interview.

"And some are saying, 'Well, whether we vote or not, they (the coalition) are going to win for sure'."*******"

FIVE MILLION, n growing...

lastly, i leave with u what Tony Benn said to Michael Moore in 'Sicko' (extended version):

"when people are hopeless and feel they cant make any difference, they are easier to govern." (something like that...)

Friday, March 07, 2008 3:05:00 PM


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The Last Straw
http://aisehman.org/?p=530

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27 lung 6 March 2008 @ 12:38 pm

Juslo,

You’ve said your piece & I have mine.

Enough said.

You guys out there, make the right & make it count.

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28 Jay 6 March 2008 @ 3:15 pm

Aisehman,

I am forced to agree with you. And Juslo, you are wrong. You come across as a dilettante, neither here nor there because of your seeming biases against everyone in the opposition. I fail to see what Pas has done so wrong in Kelantan: in fact, many of my non-Malay friends there don’t have a problem with them. It is failure on our part to give them a chance because of fear, ignorance or plain prejudice that is at the root of the Malaysian malaise and it is typified by people like Mr Juslo.

If the price of liberty is erernal vigilance. the price of being a F(liberty)-gibbet has to be, I guess, stupidity.

Best dan Selamat Mengundi

Juslo said...

for easy reference, this news story from malaysiakini is worth reading:

(n i would tell these youths - no choice to vote for? then u should STILL COME, n spoil your votes!! that way, they'll still take an interest in politics.)


Young M'sians say polls make no difference
Mar 6, 08 10:33am
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/79241

Millions of Malaysians are expected to not bother voting in Saturday's elections, in a wave of apathy that observers credit to a feeling of alienation from the ruling coalition.

After a half-century in power, no one is under any illusion that their vote could dislodge the mighty Barisan Nasional coalition, despite voter gripes over rising inflation, ethnic tensions and high crime rates.

"We should have a right to make a choice. I'm not voting because to me, there seems to be no choice," said Akmal Hakim, 29, a waiter at a fast food outlet and one of the young Muslim Malays who are the majority of non-voters.

Former deputy premier Musa Hitam estimated that some five million people would not exercise their right to vote, in a trend he said threatened "the very fabric of the democratic process".

"Some are not happy with the government, yet don't feel they should come out and vote against the government. Some say they are simply fed up with politics. They are saying, 'We'll get nothing out of it'," he said in a newspaper interview.

"And some are saying, 'Well, whether we vote or not, they (the coalition) are going to win for sure'."

Only one choice - the BN

Newspapers are awash with flattering stories on the government, and television and radio broadcasts are continuously interrupted with expensively produced commercials.

"There is only one choice, vote for BN," declare the posters and bunting which festoon the cities and villages.

"What is the point? We all know who is going to win," said a 23-year-old Malay taxi driver who declined to be named. "But where is the democracy? Why can't we see the speeches of the other candidates on TV?"

The Election Commission said last year that among Malaysia's 27 million people, a whopping 4.9 million above the voting age of 21 years - 70 percent of them aged between 21 and 35 - have not registered to vote.

Some 10.9 million people are registered voters but political researchers estimate that 25 percent of them will not cast their vote this year.

"I am not a registered voter. I don't care what happens in Malaysian politics. This country holds no promise for me and neither does the government," said 29-year-old software engineer Nigel Wong.

"And this is coming from a person who used to be very patriotic," he told AFP.

They have given up hope

The Merdeka Centre research firm said its studies found that young Malaysians have given up hope of bringing about change through the ballot box.

merdeka center youth survey 291107 ibrahim suffian"Malaysian youth in general do not see themselves as being able to make a difference within their community," said the centre's pollster Ibrahim Sufian (right).

He said most of the non-voting population were ethnic Malays who, unlike their traditionally government-supporting parents, are more likely to have dissenting views.

"However, expressing negative views affect them adversely so many are not willing to take that risk. There is a greater sense of apathy among them because of the limited channels for them to express themselves," he said.

Mohammad Agus Yusoff from Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia said there was an abnormally high proportion of some 35-40 percent of voters who were still undecided about who to support.

"Silent voters could make or break some election results," he told the state Bernama news agency this week.

Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi won in a landslide victory in 2004 but this time faces a more united fight from the opposition which is attempting to deny the government its two-thirds majority for the first time in history.

Sean E said...

Now that the opposition parties have won control of 5 state governments and denied BN two third majority in the parliament, do the next stage by petition for a Royal Commission on Electoral Reform (RCER) in Malaysia.

If you want to have a better future for our children in Malaysia, do your part by signing the on-line petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/RCER2008/petition.html

This is one way to bring our message to the Government.

Don’t just sit there, stand up and be counted! We want a fair and transparent election.

WHY DO WE NEED TO REFORM THE ELECTION COMMISSION?

1) Gerrymandering. The discrepancy between number of voters in voting areas is too great. The smallest parliamentary seat (Federal Territory, Putrajaya) has only 6,608 voters while the parliamentary seat for Kapar in Selangor has 112,224 voters. What this means is that one vote in the Putrajaya parliamentary constituency is equivalent to 17 votes in the Kapar constituency.

2) Phantom voters. A common tactic is to ‘buy’ the identity card of the voters. Party members from the ruling parties will then vote on the voters’ behalf. Random checking of a person’s identity must be conducted using those finger print checking device (like the bank use). Any voting done on another person’s identity must be made a serious offence under the election law. Now you know why the indelible ink was withdrawn at the last minute by the SPR (Election Commission).

3) Postal votes. The rules on postal voting must be reviewed, tightened and amended. The current rule favours the ruling party as the armed forces personnel and policemen who vote by ‘postal voting’ would obviously not jeopardize their career or promotion prospect by voting for the opposition. Voting under postal voting is not secret as it is under the watchful eyes of the senior officers. Christina Liew of DAP (Api-Api) lost due to postal votes. The ruling party has control of 250,000 postal votes!

4) Spoiled votes. How do we define spoiled votes. It is very easy to turn good votes into spoiled votes (by adding one more x to the ballot paper). Are spoiled votes being verified and watched over by the party representatives? In marginal areas in which the winning margin is razor thin, the so-called spoiled votes need to be scrutinized.

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sniper said...

this juslo is realy anti-islam.. what ever justification or proof.. its just to support the argument.. the truth is, he/she is realy anti-islam ..she/he will find out everything/anything, just to condemn Islam ..